Just had a litter of full blooded Black and Tans and 3 of them are gray... all markings are just like any Black and Tan but the black is gray....

Anybody ever seen this?

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THEY ARE NOT FULL BLOODED B&T. SOMETHING HAS BEEN ADDED IN THE LAST 3 OR 4 GENERATIONS AND THEY ARE THROW-BACKS. FULL B & T'S HAVE BRED TRUE COLOR FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS

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I would agree that it might be a possibility but it would have been further back than that because I am personally aware of the the last four generations as I have purposefully continued this bloodline..

Guess someone way back could have lied about the registration but I have seen a lot of pups out of this bloodline and never seen a flaw...

So now you have seen a flaw which proves there was one!!!

I'LL bet they are line bred.

Does line breeding cause this

If there was say a bluetick (x-factor) in the line way back not a b&t, than yes the lie breeding would bring it out faster and more of it. Because if you throw a double dose of the x-factor in the mix than you're probability for the x-factor is four times as likely. And by the sounds of the color there was a bluetick or leopard in the line at some point.

What you also have to factor in is the fact that B&T's were originally crossbreed dogs until they were well established.

You are correct on "throw-backs". You'll have dogs that carry the recessive genes.

Het (for short) or Heterozygous: Describes an animal that carries two different genes for a given trait. The animal will display the dominant trait it carries but will also carry the genetics for the recessive gene.

You can not breed everything out of genetics - hence the "throw-backs" thus they are Het for a recessive gene.

You match up dogs that share the same recessive genes and you'll see the abnormities sometimes.

Chocolate B&T's, Silver B&T's, Liver Blueticks, and etc....

I wouldn't go as far as saying he doesn't have full blooded B&T's because of the 3 abnormal color pups from the litters. With genetics in play and the fact that B&T's originated as crossbreeds to begin with, issues can arise from breeding dogs with certain Hets for recessive genes.

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Buckshot I agree with you about 99.9 % BUT I don't believe that a match of recessive genes over a hundred years old will produce 3 pups in a litter. One, yes, but not 3. From my old college days these pups would be considered products of a closer cross.

I would like to see some pics of them if u can post them on here sometime or text them to me that would be great thanks zach 336-692-7715

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plottten, the recessive gene can be passed on and on and on. You can not breed out the genetic makeup........it's in the DNA. The recessive genes may have originated over 100 years ago, but those genes are still being passed on. In other words, the genes are inherited.

You line up a sire and dam that holds those recessive genes and you can produce some abnormities.

BUCKSHOT;; I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT I KNEW BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

Plotten, if you knew that recessive genes go on and on and on, then why did you post.



The recessive genes would not be over 100 years old. They would have originated over 100 years ago, but are being passed on. So the recessive genes would exist today.

Plotten, I have no idea how old you are, really don't care how old you are.....Age is a number, doesn't have anything to do with knowledge or learning.

LOL, I guess your above post shows that you can be a "smartass" at any age, huh?

i regret my injection on this thread. My intent was to make a point,but instead i was talked to as if I was a child, and in an attempt to defend my honor I was branded as a smart ##*%*. Due to my knowledge of lack of intelligence in some cases I was not offended; but it did open my eyes to some basic facts. I'm 84 years old and have led a leisure, productive, and enjoyable life. With my Plott Dogs and a canoe I have created friends from all walks of life, my past contains nothing but beautiful memories. I was raised with the love of two natural parents and graduated from high school; the draft put me into the Army and I spent time in Japan and Korea, I went to college and ensued a life on the farm for the purpose of having more time to spend with my Plott dogs. I don't plan for a great future=I just would like to maintain the status I have developed in the past and die a happy man. If you people will excuse me I will fade out the picture and spend time with the love and respect of friends and family==so I bid you adieu.

plottten, nowhere did I talk to you like a child Your honor, WTH???. I disagreed with your opinion and gave mine. That is the whole point of a discussion forum.

Only childish comment made in this whole thread was your smartass comment to me of: BUCKSHOT;; I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT I KNEW BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

plottten, your first post in this thread, you said you did not believe they were full blooded B&T's.

I posted my opinion of the recessive gene and that it could cause even full blooded dogs to have the throwbacks in the litters.

Then you turn around and say you agreed with 99.9% of my post, but said that you did not believe that 100 year old recessive genes would cause it.

I posted to your comment about the 100 year old recessive genes would not be 100 years old as the recessive genes would carry on and on and on.

Then you posted that smartass comment to me...........Yet you want to now say that I am the one talking to you like a child in this post because I was posting my opinion that is different from yours?

Since you want to keep bringing up age, you would think after 84 years, you would have figured out by now that people have different opinons and can discuss their different opinions......doesn't mean someone is talking to you like a child because they post and share their opinion that is different than yours.

PS, have no idea why you needed to post a life story????????

plottten SIR at 84 years old and hunting hounds / breeding I am no one to argue with you. But Drew has points I have never played with B&Ts period but you see this in my breed It doesn't take much because in the end all of our breeds were developed from line breeding/ cross breeding to develope THAT hound that we wanted, I run blues and know most of the history. I don't know how to say this our put this, but line breeding is the way to go and outcross when you need to. But you will get ODD balls out of it. pups we have to give away without papers so they are out of the gene pool period.

I don't know you Sir and I don't mean to offened but I know a little about hounds not B&Ts but the history behind hounds. Drew can come accross wrong somtimes Thats his style The words that we type is not what you would get face to face in the woods, you can't emagine what Drew has done for the next generation of hound hunters. I have hounds that came out of Vaghn's vision here but even when I went back to an uncle there was traits that were not Vaughn, it happens.

God bless and take care

Sarge

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