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is a pup trainer as in a older dog necessary for a young dog to turn out or could you just hunt the pup every night letting it gain more confidence every time you go out? i know different people with different point of views and just thought what you all think.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:19 pm 
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im huntn my year old pup by herself and shes doin purty good.... im doing it cause i believe it will make her a better dog.... and i dont want her to become a "me too" dog by hunting her with other dogs to much... but i think huntn some with an older more expierenced dog wont hurt

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so hunting her by herself would make her a me too dog?


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bluetickMOcooner wrote:
so hunting her by herself would make her a me too dog?


noooooo..... hunting a young dog with other dogs ALOT often makes a me too dog


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:28 pm 
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I prefer to start all of my pups without the use of an older dog, and I have a couple top notch old dogs that most would consider excellent pup trainers. I have been coonhunting for 24 years and have trained alot of pups over the years alot of different ways, and it has been my experience that a pup that is started without an old dog will start slower, but finish sooner, and be a more balanced dog also. There is no right or wrong answer to your question but that is my opinion.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:30 pm 
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to answer your original question........ no. a pup trainer is not necessary for your pup to turn out good


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another quesstion is if u hunt dogs on feeder buckets would that affect their ability to hunt where no buckets are found?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:59 pm 
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Using feeders is an excellent way to get a pup to start on it's own. Just don't overdo it. Once a pup is running and treeing coon regularly off of feeders then it is time to quit the feeders and move on to wild coon.


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Pup trainers can help a hard to start pup.But after a young dog is running and treeing coon.They should be hunted alone as much as possible.At least 50% of the time..........Thats the only way you can really finish out a dog......((Me too dogs)) are dogs that tree with other dogs with out doing any of the work to tree the coon...Most me too dogs couldnt tree a coon on there own if they had too...Ive known several Grandnite champions like that....LOL........One way to make a dog a me too dog is to let them on kills.They didnt run and tree..I never let a started dog or broke dog have anything to do with a shot out coon.If they didnt run and tree it..I never let a dog get a coon if they come into a tree after I get there..I chain them back and let the dog that did tree it get the coon...Its also good to chain a pup back at every tree they tree on.Or come into....That helps learn them to stay after they get to a tree.....

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First of all I will have to agree that the only way to finish a dog into a top hound is to hunt it by itself alot. However I do believe a pup trainer is a must.
Unlike you here on these forums, there are very few pups born that have enough natural ability to start without a pup trainer. There are even fewer "Trainers" out there with the knowledge and skills to start a pup alone. The simple fact that you are on here asking if you need one tells me you probabally do.
Just look at it this way. If you start a new job in a factory tomorrow, do you think they will say here is your machine get to work and leave you alone to try to figure out how to run it , or do you think they will put you with an experienced operator for a little while until you get the hang of it before letting you have it yourself?
Honestly most hounds that I have hunted with that was started on their own all had major faults.

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Roosterrun wrote:
Just look at it this way. If you start a new job in a factory tomorrow, do you think they will say here is your machine get to work and leave you alone to try to figure out how to run it , or do you think they will put you with an experienced operator for a little while until you get the hang of it before letting you have it yourself?
Honestly most hounds that I have hunted with that was started on their own all had major faults.
First of all I will have to agree that the only way to finish a dog into a top hound is to hunt it by itself alot. However I do believe a pup trainer is a must.
Unlike you here on these forums, there are very few pups born that have enough natural ability to start without a pup trainer. There are even fewer "Trainers" out there with the knowledge and skills to start a pup alone. The simple fact that you are on here asking if you need one tells me you probabally do.
Just look at it this way. If you start a new job in a factory tomorrow, do you think they will say here is your machine get to work and leave you alone to try to figure out how to run it , or do you think they will put you with an experienced operator for a little while until you get the hang of it before letting you have it yourself?
Honestly most hounds that I have hunted with that was started on their own all had major faults.


She knows what a coon is i had showed her caged 3 coons, let one of those go to tree it, and shot out 2 coons to her while hunting with my friend's dog..so is that enough to hunt her by herself on feeders to learn more on her own and get her confidence up?


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She knows what a coon is i had showed her caged 3 coons, let one of those go to tree it, and shot out 2 coons to her while hunting with my friend's dog..so is that enough to hunt her by herself on feeders to learn more on her own and get her confidence up?[/quote]

Honestly I couldn't tell you. I have not seen your dog or have any idea how she did when you took her. If I had to take an educated guess I would say no.


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Here is my OPINION .Depends how much time you want to put into your dog. This is what it seems like to me, If you hunt it with a trainer it might pick it up quicker, if you take the time and work it alone you will have a better dog. I would not suggest trying to do it without a older dog if you think your dog should be treeing coon right away and at a young age. I do believe you will end up with a better dog starting and finishing it alone. Besides for getting them around other dogs to make sure no aggresion is there. I am not a proffessional dog trainer this is only my opinion,but I have had a few dogs without having a website to ask for help. I have had a finished dog I trained by myself without another dog that would make most dogs look not very good. That is only including the dogs I have seen and hunted with I cannot talk about a dog I havent seen. If you have the time and pateince I would train it from scratch alone but thats just me.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:58 pm 
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I would do both hunt her with an old dog about 30% of the time then hunt her by herself the rest!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:43 pm 
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My dogs rarely if ever get hunted alone. I don't have the time they all need to do it. I hunt big game so thats why I have so many dogs. The simple answer is yes. Most dogs will start sooner with a pup trainer. The problem is that pup trainer has come to mean any old dog. Most of these dogs have faults that can be passed on. IE: running deer, false treeing, aggressiveness. So more harm than good CAN be done with a "pup trainer". I agree with roosterruns comment about most hounds that are started on their own having faults. All of them I can think of did. Major faults. One major problem is aggression. These dogs aren't usually exposed to other dogs enough. If you have a good dog he'll be catching his own game in front of the other dogs anyway. I have a 2 year old female that has never been hunted alone that will drive a track way ahead of any of the other dogs. I doubt she's me too'ing when she's looking that critter in the face. All that said. Ideally, you should hunt a dog by itself on occasion if you have its doubts as to whether or not it can do it on its own.


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