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Have you ever tried the BARF diet for your dogs?
Poll ended at Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:38 pm
What's a BARF diet? 60%  60%  [ 6 ]
Heard of it, sounds stupid. 10%  10%  [ 1 ]
Sounds good, but too much trouble. 20%  20%  [ 2 ]
Tried it, didn't like it. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Tried it, liked it. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Tried it, neither liked it nor disliked it. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Heard of it, wondered about it, haven't tried it yet. 10%  10%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 10
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Thank you Karl!! That's what I was looking for. :D

Arachyd, thanks for your help as well. My cur dogs don't get "babied", but they for sure get taken care of........they are part of my family. I take care of my wife, my kids AND my dogs. :wink:

I appreciate your help.

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here is a link for ya. some of these guys been doin it for years

http://www.texasboars.com/phpBB2/viewto ... hlight=raw


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That was extremely rude and uncalled-for karl-nc. You can't claim the same feeding method for every dog. There are large hounds and small ones as well as different breeds being discussed on various sites. Even in the same breed dogs have different activity levels and are kept in different housing situations which will very much affect their nutritional needs. Different meats have different fat/protein ratios. The age of the dog is also very significant.

The site you gave a link for has postings for very different breeds (staghound pup and boxer are the dogs mentioned 2 of the posts I looked at) and no exact detail on the percentages of meats/vegs./grains used for each. Most of what I read on it is exactly like other information I've read. It is general, vague and varied and the posters disagree with each other on details like the need for vegetables and grains. Like I said, you have to juggle your ingredients to fit your dog. As far as not knowing what I am talking about, I have family members who feed RAW and show successfully (not coonhounds). They took their time and observed the changes in their dog over time to figure out what their particular dog needed to be at its best.

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i call'em the way i see'em.
i never said i feed them all the same. i have different breeds of dogs also. if you read what i wrote "i feed bout 3% of there body weight plus some rice or bread then i adjust from there no different than kibble." i am talking from experience, (which is what i believe bopeye was lookin for in the first place) not just" from what i read"
it's not a science it's a natural diet. just like feedin kibble, if the dogs are gettin fat you cut them back. if they gettin skinny, feed'em more. not that complicated. it's definitely not for lazy people though


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I can call 'em as I see 'em too dear. I can honestly say you know very little about dog nutrition if you only feed meat, bones, rice and bread. Even veterinarians don't agree on how much of the different food groups make up the best RAW diet. The dog may look good but it will not be at optimal health to fight of infection and heal from injuries as well as if it were fed a complete diet. The information you pointed out on the other site clearly states that people adjust and juggle the different foods and that it is not rocket science (which is what I SAID) so why are you insulting me and arguing with me? I'm not disagreeing with you that RAW is good for dogs, you are simply being rude. As far as having personal experience versus reading-I told you I have family that feed RAW. Just because I choose not to feed my dogs that way does not mean I don't know anything about it.


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that was hardly an insult. especially comin from me :roll:

i was just answering the fellows post based on my own experience. didn't realize i was buttin heads with a canine nutritionist.

any way my dogs are doin great on this diet(so says my vet, but hey whats he know)

best we drop this before i hurt someone else's feelins :roll:


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If you have a vet that supports your dog's diet then you better be buying that vet a Christmas card every year and spreading his name around. The pet-lover sites (I love it when they bring up hunting-usually starts a war) I usually see RAW and BARF discussed on are full of complaints how the vets don't agree with the dog owner or with each other or are pushing their own favorite brand (for the kickbacks) or the dog owners disagree but they have lots of tips and tricks. I'm glad you posted that site because hunting dogs will starve on what pets eat and hunters can get a lot of good information there. Truce.

Oh, I'm no nutritionist but in the past have done (in class) dietary studies on small animals and observed the effects of omitting different things from their diets-certain vitamins, minerals, etc. Before any PETA people try bashing me-none of the critters was deprived of anything long enough to do any lasting harm to the animals or make them depressed or anything, only enough to note the changes.


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I've never fed raw food solely, so if I say something that isn't accurate or doesn't make sense don't jump me!
I knew a lady that did. After time she had to mix in a little bit of baby food (for some sort of nutrient that was lacking) and kibble (for the sake of their teeth)--man you should have seen their coats! Best coats that I'd ever seen for sure!


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i have a 35 lb 5 month old bluetick i'm currently feeding him pride pro series 26/20 feed. i am wanting to feed him a raw diet. i ahve plenty of catfish readily avaliable in two pound bags filet into nuggets. will catfish be just as good as chicken. and how much fish shall i use and what else will he need in the diet. i have heard about raw diet and read forum about it but was wondering about my situation. please give me any input if you know about raw diet.

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I feed raw.

To make a base for feeding take your dogs body weight times .02

Take the answer times 75%

Kind of like so
Weight X .02 = A
A is the total weight of the feed that needs to be fed

Take A X 75% = B

B is the weight you need to make protien.

I use chicken quarters as the bones are great source of calcium and help with tarter.

I also add beef tripe,Nupro with glucosamine and flax/wheat germ with some type of vegtable.

In the winter I add lard or coconut oil to get the winter weight up.

Again this is a base.Some dogs are more active,some have a high metabolism so they need more.Some dogs need less.
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Chicken bones don't pose a choking hazard? I've been told they splinter badly.

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Bones tend to splinter if they've been cooked. Raw ones tend to break in pieces more than splintering.


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Bones tend to splinter if they've been cooked. Raw ones tend to break in pieces more than splintering.


Exactly.

Some dogs tend to swallow things rather than actually chew them up.Chicken quarters are too large to do that with.That kind of manipulates them into actually working on the bones and getting them crunched up.For those stubborn dogs freezeing the quarters will further ensure they chew the crap out of them.


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Thanks arachyd and techno.


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So many people complain about the price of kibble today, and that is because it's expensive. Even the "low budget" cheap feeds are getting expensive, and to add insult to injury these feeds are terrible for dogs nutrtionally. Feeding dogs cheap kibble is tantamount to feeding your children the dryest McDonald's French fries for their entire lives. Sooner or later, they will have serious health problems.

The simple fact is, no kibbled diet is as good as feeding a proper raw diet. And even most of the so-called "premium" kibbles have rice, corns, etc. in them ... and then cost over $1.00/lb. Worse, even the WalMart cheapies (i.e., Ol' Roy) are now costing $0.50/lb for what is little more than a bag of dried corns, glutens, soys, etc.

I am offering for your consideration a raw diet that is even cheaper to feed than Ol' Roy, can likewise be obtained at WalMart, but that offers a hundred times better nutrition. I will admit that this diet is not a "premium" RAW diet, but a low budget raw diet for larger kennel situations that trying to keep their costs down, and yet still provide their animals decent nutrition. The big claim that larger kennel operations cite as a reason for not feeding raw is "cost" and "convenience."

Well, feeding raw is always going to be a bit more inconvenient than feeding kibble, there is no way around that, but I have made this formula as convenient as I can (as again you can get everything at WalMart). It is likewise as cost-effective as it can be (less per-lb than even than Ol' Roy). Keep in mind, individual prices may differ, but at my local WalMart, Ol' Roy is now $20.88 for 40 lb (which is $0.52/lb), and the following raw diet I am listing can be put together for only $0.50/lb. Here are the items:


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Food Item.............................Cost Per Meal

Raw Chicken Quarters (8 oz)................$0.290
1 Cup White Rice (8 oz).......................$0.087
Whole Egg (2 oz)................................$0.121
Plain Yogurt (1.2 oz)...........................$0.079
1 Tsp Lard (1/6th oz)..........................$0.013
½ Vitamin Pill (0 oz)............................$0.014

19.2 oz meal........................................ $0.60 = Total Cost


* WalMart offers 10-lb bags of chicken quarters for $5.78, which pans-out to be only about $0.58/lb.
* You can get 20 lb of Matma white rice for $13.12 at WalMart also. Keep in mind that 1/3 cup of rice grains makes a full cup of cooked rice (after you add 2/3-cup of water and heat it). There are 50.5 cups of rice grains in the 20-lb sack, which after adding water make 151.5 cups of rice for $13.12, making each cup of rice cost only $0.087 (just under nine cents a cup).
* You can also get a carton of 60 (5-dozen) eggs for $7.24 (which comes to $0.97/lb), and each egg weighs about 2 oz (or about 12.1 cents per egg).
* You can buy a quart of "Great Value" plain yogurt for about $1.57 each (which is about $0.79/lb), and it has been my experience that you can scoop out about 20 heaping tablespoons per container, which is about 7.9 cents per serving.
* You can also get a bottle of 300 Equate Multi-Vitamin pills for $8.42. Since a little dog doesn’t need the full horse pill, you can cut each vitamin in half, which means you get 600 multi-vitamins for just over eight bucks (or $0.014/pill). The best way to feed the half-vitamin pill is to stuff it in a teaspoon of lard.
* You can get a 4-lb tub of Armour Lard for $4.82, and since 4 lb = 64 oz, and since 1 tsp = 1/6th of an ounce, this means you get 384 teaspoon servings for less than five bucks, or $0.013 per serving (just over one cent).

This means the above meal would cost 29 cents + 8.7 cents + 12.1 cents + 7.9 cents + 1.3 cents + 1.4 cents which would equal a total cost of 60.4 cents for 19.2 oz of feed, which translates to just over $0.030/ounce—or just over $0.50/lb—and it’s still a better meal compared to just about any commercial kibble.


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That’s right, you can shop at WalMart and feed your dogs a low budget raw diet for less than what it costs to feed Ol’ Roy, the lousiest feed on the market, and yet it is better for your dogs than virtually any high-end kibble. You don't need to go to butchers, slaughterhouses, or any other inconvenient spot for many folks ... you can get all of these things right at WalMart.

Just purchase a crock pot for the rice (also at WalMart), in a size commensurate with the number of dogs you have (1 cup of rice per dog), and you will be saving money AND feeding your dogs better. There is simply no excuse to feed kibble anymore with today's prices.

Again, I do admit there are raw diets better than this (no rice, etc); but rice provides a good filler to keep the weight on, and my point was to provide a LOW BUDGET ("anyone can get it") raw diet for larger kennel situations.

All you need is a meat cleaver, the crock pot, and a cutting board. Lay the number of eggs, vitamins, chicken pieces out there ... and stack a buncha bowls ... and you can feed a yard of dogs better than any kibble ... for LESS MONEY than any kibble.

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